Zyngo ISN’T Gambling? Wtf?
The Linden Lab policy on wagering is clear…
(Taken from the Linden Lab blog)….
Policy
It is a violation of this policy to wager in games in the Second Life (R) environment operated on Linden Lab servers if such games:
(1) (a) rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner, OR (b) rely on the outcome of real-life organized sporting events,
AND
(2) provide a payout in
(a) Linden Dollars, OR
(b) any real-world currency or thing of value.
This includes (but is not limited to), for example, Casino Games such as:
o Baccarat
o Blackjack
o Craps
o Faro
o Keno
o Pachinko
o Pai Gow
o Poker
o Roulette
o Sic Bo
o Slot machines
So, their rules are clear.
And I, for one, see why they imposed it. I know a lot of people bitched and complained about the gambling ban, but Linden Lab are based in San Fransisco and therefore must adhere to the laws of their country and state. No gambling allowed. So I have no problem with the gambling ban in Second Life.
What does interest me, however, is how Linden Lab define ‘luck’ or ‘chance.’ Evidently poker has an element of chance, being specifically mentioned as one of the games that is prohibited. And yes, of course it does. How well you do in a poker hand depends on which cards you are dealt and which cards are drawn on the table. Luck. And regardless of the fact that a certain level of skill does come into play, the fact is that skill alone does not suffice. Linden Lab dictate that any games that ‘rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner’ count as wagering. As there is chance in cards being dealt, this is gambling. Fair enough.
But apparently a game in which you wait for randomly generated numbers to be drawn and try to match them with numbers on a randomly generated grid…. well that isn’t gambling. No…. no element of chance there, according to the Linden Gods.
I’m talking about Zyngo. For anyone who has not yet ventured into the many casinos… shit, I mean ‘zyngo parlours,’ in Second Life, let me explain. Zyngo (a Linden Lab approved ‘non-gambling’ game) is a particularly popular game whereby you are presented with a grid of numbers. From there, a series of numbers are drawn out at random and you must match these to the numbers on your grid. There are other factors too, like angels or devils which can be drawn and respectivaly increase or reduce the points you have. And what is proving increasingly popular is the auto-play feature on Zyngo. This allows you to just hit a button and the machine will match the numbers as they drawn for you. So you do not even have to look at your grid.
Umm… how is this not classed as gambling in Second Life? I don’t see how there is even a tiny element of skill involved in it, let alone how it could be deemed 100% skill. Oh, crap, wait… I think I see why this is permitted actually….

Ah yes… it must be skill. No chance involved. How could there possibly be chance involved when one Zyngo parlour alone spends this much money on classifieds? And when all of them combined probably count for a significant proportion of the total classifieds revenue Linden Lab received? No, no. No chance involved here! It’s all skill. In fact those highly skilled auto Zyngo players spends years and years and years perfecting the art of hitting ‘right click…pay’ on the machines. They really do.
/end sarcasm.
Fucking bullshit.
This, to me, is another example of policies not being enforced. They banned camping, traffic bots and traffic falsification in Second Life… but people camp and use bots and play their traffic games. And nothing is done about it. They ban gambling in Second Life, but then approve Zyngo machines because apparently random number generation does not count as an element of chance.
I have read and heard all sorts of theories on why this is not classified as gambling in Second Life. One being that the creator was able to demonstrate to Linden Lab that those with experience of playing were more successful than those without experience. So what? Unless those with experience are capable of controlling the output of numbers with some ‘highly skilled’ psychic event outcome, witchcraft, magic bullshit mystical fucking skill, then it does not matter. Any element of chance is considered gambling. I don’t care if they get Michael frikkin Flatley to play Zyngo while demonstrating his wonderful Irish Jigging skills… it’s still luck.
Ok, so fine. Ban gambling in Second Life. But keep it consistent. What’s the point in having rules that some people are allowed to ignore. It’s like courts in real life dictating that theft is legal providing you pay half of what you take to your local police force. What a load of crap.
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Ann Otoole
It isn’t gambling if a linden alt or friend/spouse/lover/child of a linden makes the “innocent game device”.
And furries, like half of LL, are not fetishists to LL even though furry fandom is well known for having a major sexual fetish aspect rofl. If LL classified furries as adult then half of LL would have to move to pornutopia or convert to humans in business suits.
So basically if LL does it then it is legal. If LL doesn’t like it then it is illegal.If you are a friend of certain Lindens then LL promotes your business. If not your business is probably going to be MIA from SL by the end of 2010. Unless, of course, the FTC takes an interest in LL for it’s bizarre and questionable anti competitive behaviors and allowing of trademark infringements inside SL but not on xstreetsl, etc. etc.
Oh wait it is just a game and L$ has no value. So back to your question if there is no money in SL then how can there be gambling?
Alicia Chenaux
I’ve never understood how it’s not considered gambling either. Now, I understand how something like Tringo isn’t gambling. That does involve some skill. But clicking numbers and a devil might come to drop your score? I don’t get it.
Lauren Weyland
i so agree. Poker is less gambling then Zyngo
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JN
I’ll tell you why it is allowed next to the fact LL is making millions of dollars on Zyngo: Aargle Zymurgy is a friend of LL. He even helped creating Second Life with his alt Odysseus Fairymeadow in the early years. If you want to look the devil in the eyes: his picture can be found on the Flickr page of… Teagan Linden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/teaganlinden/3883170188/
Varlenn
I guess that predetermines where the complaint I filed about Zyngo will wind up, based on the gambling provisions.
My greatest concern is that – having played it – I am very worried about the possibility of gambling addiction, since the greatest danger of gambling is what is referred to as the “gambler’s fallacy” – namely that “each loss gets you one step closer to winning”. How many people will spend real world money, converted to Lindens, to win one of the varied jackpots. Plus, given that the odds of winning are ridiculously low, and the entry costs range up to 10,000 L in some games, I really don’t see how the “gambling” aspect can be ignored.
I’m not sure how this matter can be finally addressed, and get these games removed.
Even the notorious “sploders” aren’t so bad as “gambling”…
Rezzor String
Poker is less gambling then Zyngo! [2]
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